Prep Talk Live's Class AA replay: NT clobbers Lancaster, 54-7

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Comments

[Milt Latimer]

The "better competition" argument will go nowhere. At the high school level, there is too much turnover year after year to say what competition is. The only true indicator is what individual programs do to prepare. Weights, offseason work, camps, putting players in correct positions to succeed, etc. If every school within a division did this, the eventually champion would be a worthy team. Right now, there are a handful of programs in WNY that are doing the types of things to create a good program. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which ones they are. the more programs that develop better players, the better the competition will be. "Tougher" competition in the regular season is overrated, in my opinion.

[Fran]

NEVER is exactly right in this case. Aquinas is free to play an independent schedule, and still enter the Sectional playoffs. This model will NEVER be adopted in this area. You can chisel it in granite.

[Stronger VI add MMA]

Fran "And I can say for sure, that will NEVER happen". Nice to keep a open mind about the future, remember we live in a age where Neb, Miami,Oklahoma and Texas have played in the Rose Bowl anything can happen.

[Fran]

We will disagree that the MMA teams are "better" competition. There are cycles and teams are better some years than others. What kind of prep did St. Joe's give NT last year? Sweet Home had essentially the same schedule as last year. Last year they murdered Aquinas. What kind of prep did the MMA give Aquinas last year?
Anyone can form a reasonable argument to support their cause. Statistics can be manipulated. Then people with a like mind can say, "Yeah, he's right."
In this case you just assume that MMA is the best competition. Your whole dissertation flows from this assumption. Many intelligent people would disagree. For sure, there are years when one of the MMA teams will be as good as any teams in WNY. There will also be years when they are not. That is true of every Section VI team.
Since we disagree on the "best competition" point, what other incentive is there for VI to take in MMA?
Would MMA give up their independence? How would you suggest that VI handle the transfer/recruiting issues that would be magnified if MMA was a part of the Section?
I think that there are more reasons against inclusion than for it. IMO MMA does not really want to be a member of Section VI anyway. They want what Aquinas has in Rochester. And I can say for sure, that will NEVER happen.

[Stronger VI add MMA]

Fran Whats in it for VI, better competition.Last year was a 1st for the bigger schools. The A and AA teams very rarely go any farther East then Rochester, why? The best teams are not playing each other, how much better over the years would OP have been playing Frannies and St Joe's these would be big games with alot on the line. The past few years the bottom 1/2 of both A and AA are so bad those games are over before half.Very few close games do no one any good. Week in and week out the V teams play better teams. The MMA preps Aquinas for the state playoffs with great success. Why was the SH GI game so close because GI had close tough games the past 2 weeks and SH had 40 something to 0 vs Amherst 2 times. They could have been 100-0. When I moved here in the 90's I read a qoute from a AA coach saying he did not want to play Joe's because it was not a important game for his program. I was shocked that he was admitting he did not want to play the best competition he could.

[Bad Meat]

Well, the Chad Kelly rumor is certainly interesting.

http://www.gametimepa.com/ci_13570599?source=most_viewed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHygGJwkDo

[rumormill]

Word is Jim Kelly's nephew Chad is coming to Buffalo this week to live with Jim! Who will he be playing for? This kid will be a junior next year and is a stud QB!

[Fran]

What's in it for Section VI? Last year they had the most successful season in their history.
Your pipe dream will not be happening any time soon.

[Stronger VI add MMA]

All 3 should be welcome with open arms by AA Section VI, then we would have some real strength. The day is near that WN,WSW and maybe NW will be droping to A.

[Milt Latimer]

Timon will have a tough time competing with the rest of Large school MMA for the forseeable future. The enrollment has dropped closer to the Small schools. Football interested kids just aren't making that their preferred choice. I think an interesting choice that MMA could ponder...Since they want to have 4 Large schools, take the winner of the Small Schools and move them up to large schools, take the 4th place team of large and move them down to Small. I could see a yearly swap with Timon, O'Hara, and Mary's. But, if O'Hara, for instance, could finish at least in 3rd in the Large, they'd stay up. Frannies, Joes, or Canisius would never move down to Small.

[enough]

enough about timon, they have had a rough yr, yes CHS took it too them and karma will come back to haunt them...i never thoought i would say this, but go JOes, beat the daises!!!

[Pylon32]

Fran,

This isn't a courtroom drama on TV. Aside from the 1 yd pringle run he was not in. JV runners were. Never said Eman wasn't in. He was. The back up played against Walsh and he is a receiver that normally starts..."he" was out of the game with all the other starters. Look, whatever...you know what the staff was thinking and how they practice...Fine. Let's agree to disagree.

You keep changing the conversation to suit your argument. Bottom line is a 65 yd run didn't happen in the "first" half so Eman and the coaches were banking on that. CHS ran the same play over and over...and when the end had clobbered the RB so many times on hand offs, the QB pulled the ball on the read option. So CHS should take the blame for Timon not tackling? Wow. Such a double standard. You got other guys being praised for throwing balls repeatedly to break records and handing the ball off repeatedly...

How many carries did Pringle get against Timon? Less than 12. How many throws did Eman have 15. But that is padding stats? Cmon' you can argue what you want but there is another side...that's all I'm saying

[Fran]

OK, we agree Pringle and Eman scored the second half TDs. Now if the JV was playing the second half, as you categorically stated, how could they be scoring TDs? The game was over in the first half. It hurts me to say it, but Timon just can't compete with Canisius anymore. Padding stats is what happened. There is no way to sugar coat it.
And it is just plain silliness to tell me that Canisius does not have a backup in case Eman gets hurt. I don't care if the backup is the 4th string kicker, he would still be taking snaps in practice, just in case. That is who should have been handing off to the "JV" running backs in the 4th quarter.

[Pylon32]

Ok, gave Francis too much credit and not enough to Joe's. They won. Congrats. And YES I am picking CHS.

If there are so many holes, why not state them? Typical, your word is 'bible' because you say it? Back it up.

[Pylon32]

Fran,

Pringle scored on a one yard run. Eman scored on the 3rd play in the 3rd quarter and on the already discussed run that went for 65 yards. Hardly a "padded" run situation. It wasn't like they were on the 10, called timeout and asked Eman to run.

WRONG, JV QB is NOT playing. Decided to rest for basketball.

The "other" QB on the roster transferred after losing the job to Eman after the first game. Again, you don't know the facts. Just hot air blogging.

[HSFB Fanactic]

Hey Pylon 32,

For someone that says he is a Sweet Home fan, you seem to know everything there is to know about Canisius football. There are so many errors (Lies) in your statement that it is no worth going into. Let's just say that your opinions carry very little weight if any. What happened to your prediction of Frannies crushing St. Joes. I'm sure the St. Joe's faithful are hoping that you are predicting a Canisius victory.

[freethrow]

1.Thats just bad coaching for ya cuz if Eman gets injured that really sucks:(

2. Ummmm??? When did CHS have success????

3. and 4. Honestly i have nothing against CHS but i think they are an all hot air team. i see alot of talk about Gaines this and pringle that and Eman there and williams here..
5. ok so if roosevelt did it does it make it ok for CHS to do it too?
6. obviously if it was a problem people wud of stated a problem with it.
7.Listen in blowouts u wanna get as many starters out as people especially the starting QB.
8.no one wants to be a coach or fanatic.. its a blog so everyone should be able to express their opinion
9.N/A
10.Oh stop whining about CHS getting acused of recruiting....SHHS Football have been accused of recruiting when i use to play for them and knew where every single player lived that had large imput on the stats of the team being successful

[Fran]

All it takes is one little error (I won't call it a lie) to throw your whole dissertation into doubt.
Canisius scored three TDs in the second half, Eman, Pringle, Eman.
Now I admit I am not an expert on Canisius' roster, but I am pretty sure those two guys don't play JV. And I am pretty sure Canisius has another QB on their roster, and I am very sure that the JV had a QB, who would have been on the field if Canisius was playing "exclusively with JV players in the second half".
They ran the score up needlessly to pad stats. Lots of teams do it. That doesn't make it right.

[Pylon32]

1. CHS has only one QB, but you all knowing high school football gurus should know that.

2. CHS players have heart and toughness too. No need to downplay their success to prop up another.

3. You are not being truthful. There was no "incident" at St. Francis game. There are no "sides" after a game starts either. CHS was warming up in front of their sideline before Francis even took the field after half. They assembled at the 50 to warm up that led to the guys being next to each other.

4. Since you are going to be that nitpicky, I guess you didn't see Joes run the whole field through the CHS warm ups BEFORE the game crossing the 50 to do it. Or Timon doing the same in the first game they played; guess that doesn't matter.

5. Revisionist history; When Roosevelt was at Joes and they went for it on a 4th down leading 42 - 0 was just a display of dominant football then right?

6. Joes had their starters in after leading 31 nothing over Timon last week. How do I know, I saw the game.

7. CHS ran the ball exclusively with JV players in the second half and passed twice the entire second half. On the play Eman scored, it was a read option and he pulled it as he should when the end overplayed the dive.

8. If you want a team, get one and coach it, otherwise be a fan and cheer not a "fanatic."

9. Harris and Smith have utmost respect for each other and a good relationship so don't speak about something you don't know.

10. I constantly hear great things about the CHS program, but I guess it depends on the company you keep. Funny when CHS was getting killed for 25 years no one had anything to say, it can't be hard work, good coaching and committment from the administration, the kids, parents and coaches it is recruiting. Wow.

[HCup Fan]

I am shocked by it, however in 6 days Laf will get by the biggest margin in Harvard Cup playoff history. Riverside is heads and shoulders above the rest of the league.

[Harvcup]

is no one else shocked lafayette upset burgard??

[Milt Latimer]

Guest...yes, the Chiefs still have the 67 points they put on Eastridge in the Far West Regionals. The 116 points is probably the most points combined scored in Stadium history as well. But, their Section VI Finals record is no more. The amazing thing was the 54th (to break the 53) point by NT bounced off the upright and fell through.

My guess for which record will be the next to go might be either the 259 yards passing in a game (Jimerson-Gowanda 1997) or Receiving Yards of 167 (Austin-Albion 1981, Canfield-Alden 1983). With more teams throwing, you'd think those might be in jeopardy. I'm kinda surprised Secky/MG didn't eclipse those last year vs Clymer.

The record attendance for 5 games over 2 days is 12,462. It would be interesting to see what the figures are for this year, as both the NT-Lancaster and Maple Grove-Randolph games had nice turnouts.

[guest]

I beleive Iroquois still has the Ralph wilson Stadium record when they scored 63 points against Eastridge in the far West Regionals in 2004. Is that correct Milty.

[mff]

For once I agree with Milt....I hear nothing positive about Cansisus program anymore. Running up the score against a clearly inferior opponent to pad some players statistics is not only classless but sad as well. As I recall didn't the coach from Will. South do the same thing to get his quarterback the touchdown record? The best thing Canisus could do in the MMA championship game against St. Joe's would be to invade their side of the field. The Joe's kids are warriors and that's all the motivation they would need for that game.

[Milt Latimer]

GoFrannies...don't you realize, Canisius doesn't want respect from the rest of MMA...they want to score as many points and have as many kids that will transfer, as they can!

[John G.]

Can the MMA survive as a large school football league with only three teams? Timon has no business anymore playing with the big three. The only reason they are still there is for the good of the MMA.
So not only did Canisius display bad sportsmanship by running up the score, they also put another nail in Timon's football coffin.
IMO Canisius will lose in the long run if there is no MMA football league, and they will shoulder a lion's share of the blame.
I hope Joe's splatters them next week.

[GoFrannies.com]

Some thoughts on the MMA semifinal games played yaesterday:
1.) Congratulations to the St. Francis coaching staff on a great game plan. Using Redden at middle linebacker on defense and quarterback in wildcat formation was a great move. Redden almost single handily pulled off the victory.
2.) Congratulations to the St. Joes coaches and players who played with class and great heart. Quarterback/DB Rosenhahn came up with several big plays in the 4th quarter including the play of the game, an interception in the end zone while in 1 on 1 coverage on Redden.
3.) Congratulations to the Canisius coaching staff for another CLASSLESS move yesterday. Up 35-0 against an underman Timon team that had scored only 7 points in their last 6 games, you still had your starters in the game to roll up the score. If that wasn't bad enough, up 42-0 in the 4th quarter, your starting quarterback is still in the game to score another touchdown. Real class there. The same classless moved you pulled the week before at St. Francis when you had your players run their 10 yard warmup sprints into the Frannies side of the field almost causing an incident. A little advice to the coaching staff at CHS, if you want respect from the league, then start giving the respect your opponents richly deserve.

[Accuracy]

Gee, I thought Sweet Home was off the hook for that score when Iroquois had to forfeit that game.

[Milt Latimer]

I don't know where to begin on this game. Lancaster had some success moving the ball in their 1st 2 drives...but then the wheels not only came off, they ending up rolling about as far away from the Ralph as they could. Fumble by Davis, Montesanti TD, Bad KO return, Punt, Kijowski TD, Bad KO return, Kijowski Intercepts for TD, Fumble, Kijowski TD, Punt, Davis TD, Interception by Dan Montesanti, etc, etc, etc. Kijowski's 3 TDs in a span of 7 combined offensive plays in the game has to be a record.

If anyone noticed, alot of NT's runs were right up the gut behind C #71 Kyle Schreve. Not only my choice for All-WNY, but a solid contender to Carlson for the Trench Trophy. Standouts on defense were #17 Bloomfield and #44 Montesanti. Ya had to love when NT went into its "Chinese Fire Drill" defensive front four with the entire line jumping back and forth at the line of scrimmage before the snap.

Milt does have to give its rotten egg award to the Redskins. Not only did they have trouble taking care of the ball, they couldn't return a kickoff, and they managed to allow the Jacks to break a Chiefs' record. (most points scored in a VI Final Ralph game) That's a big no-no! Sweet Home fans rejoice, you're off the hook!